October 24, 2017 at 10:53 am #36752
I don’t see NTC as that big of a deal. Leake had one, too. They probably had to offer it to be competitive with other teams. No matter what, all it takes is money to make it go away.October 24, 2017 at 11:34 am #36757
Makes no sense to pay what is percieved as “top dollar” and also give NTC.October 24, 2017 at 12:28 pm #36769
We have no way of knowing the details of other offers and exactly what is competitive and what is not. I am just suggesting that some put greater weight on NTC than others.October 25, 2017 at 11:33 am #36854
I was not excited by the Leake and Cecil deals but not against them. I didn’t want Fowler because I didn’t think he was good enough defensively.
If I look at our situation I see too many corner outfielders and infielders with none a real impact bat with Pham being the closest. Also a loaded minor league system and too many “prospects” fading and we get next to nothing for them when we get rid of them. The O’Neill for Marco deal an exception. San Diego seems so hot for our prospects, maybe we should trade a few of them for players we want.
I am generally opposed to trading young prospects for older players. That is how you lose guys like Bagwell, Rizzo, and Smoltz. But the results are that we got next to nothing for the players we acquired from the outside in 2017. I don’t think we have given up a lot over Mo’s tenure but if I have a criticism of Mo it that maybe he has been a bit conservative rather than go after guys like Verlander who played a big role in the Astros winning the AL championship. And I think he has had some bad luck.
Like many others I am waiting to see if anything changes under Giersh.October 25, 2017 at 12:23 pm #36861
Thanks for sharing your perspective, Sooner. After reading it, the question that comes to mind is how many future Bagwells or Smoltzes are in the system. (As a point of reference, the last sure-fire Hall of Famer developed by the Cardinals came up 16 years ago. 13 years ago if you favor Molina, so they don’t come along often.)
Of course, we won’t know until years later, but I hope the fear of making a low-odds mistake in mis-identifying a future Hall of Famer right under their noses does not keep them from taking a few chances. Current course and speed isn’t working.
When is the last time the Cards made a mistake in trading away a top-ranked prospect who became even an impact MLB player? The names that come to mind are guys like Wallace, Cox, Kaminsky, Ramsey and Tilson. Luke Gregerson may be as close as any and that is not too bad at all.
And even if Wallace, say, had become a star, so what? The Cardinals had Matt Holliday!October 25, 2017 at 10:10 pm #36878
Obviously the trick is to know if you have a Bagwell, Smoltz, et.al. as well as who do we have that other teams value more than we do. Jockkety had a knack for that. A lot of the minor leaguers he gave up for the likes of Woody Williams didn’t get more than a cup of coffee in the majors. About the only exception was Jack Wilson for Jason Christianson.
There were a lot of questions during the season as to who would be buyers and sellers as the trade deadline approached. Detroit and the White Sox were obvious and just as obvious we decided to be neither buyers or sellers in spite of having a good number of outfielding and pitching prospects although we did pick up Nicacio for a 20th range prospect after the deadline.
Meanwhile most of the other post season contenders picked up key players mostly for minor league talent. Dodgers (Darvish, Watson), Yankees (Frazier, Gray, Robertson, Kahnle) DBacks (Martinez) Nationals (Kintzler, Madson, Kendrick, Doolittle), Astros (Liriano, Verlander), Rockies (Lucroy), Red Sox (Eduardo Nunez) Brewers (Swarzak) Cubs (Quintana, Avila, Justin Wilson) Indians (Joe Smith). Also the Rays, Royals and Angles were active trying for the final AL wild card spot.October 26, 2017 at 9:59 am #36893
Third 2017 playoff team is changing managers with Joe Girardi out in New York, following Red Sox and Nationals. He always had winning records in 10 years with the Yankees, finishing a total of 200 games over .500 at 910-710 (.562).
Seems a growing trend is that just having a winning record and making the post-season are not necessarily enough.
Very similar totals for Matheny, who in six years is at .560 overall, 544-428. Though MM’s post-season record is worse, .488 to .538 for Girardi. And the latter has one World Series championship.
Both managers followed Hall of Famers, with Girardi having replaced Joe Torre. And of course, both are ex-Cardinals catchers.
October 26, 2017 at 10:12 am #36895
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Per Jon Heyman, the analytics trend continues.
“yankees may interview people on the inside but are likely to find their next manager outside the organization. will want analytical guy.”October 26, 2017 at 10:48 am #36897
Teams who want to win it all try to make changes to do so, teams who don’t care if they win it all or not continue to go down the drain they are going donwnOctober 26, 2017 at 12:08 pm #36898
And the only thing I keep hearing about is Mathenys wining record, even from Mo. Sad.
October 26, 2017 at 3:35 pm #36929
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If St. Louis struggles in the first half next year and Girardi is available, I wonder if the club would consider the change.
But if Joe G is not an analytics guy, then probably not.October 26, 2017 at 4:15 pm #36934
Mike…i dont think Girardi will last long on the open market if he wants to coach this year…if not…then perhaps that scenario coudl play out…
I think Oquendo would get the gig if MM bowed out early…he did interview for the job back when MM was hired right? I also think Clapp might get a shot as wellOctober 26, 2017 at 4:47 pm #36941
Way too early to say, but my guess is that the target would be like the pitching coach – a respected and experienced outside manager.
When the Cubs decided on their guy, they bought him out of his contract with his then-current team and let their incumbent manager go with time and money remaining on his deal. Not suggesting the Cards would do that, but pointing out another example of aggressive action by what is now the clear division leader.October 26, 2017 at 5:13 pm #36943
Just curious, what is MM’s reputation for embracing or not embracing analytics?November 4, 2017 at 8:48 am #37264
Bernie Miklasz writes that Matheny must embrace analytics more without being clear about his past record in the area.November 4, 2017 at 11:47 am #37277
CC, here is a PD article that touches on how Matheny refers to analytics during games.November 5, 2017 at 11:28 am #37299
Hiring analytic-minded coaches is a good start for the St. Louis Cardinals, but they will also need plans to get the information in the heads and hearts of their players.November 19, 2017 at 5:24 pm #38015
This column from the Boston Globe’s Nick Cafardo is interesting in several aspects. One is that he mentions a growing feeling that first-time managers are the trend in MLB, while “…general managers are now taking on bigger roles and managers are merely there to communicate with the players…”
He also outlines many MLB manager and coaching salaries as well as typical ranges by position.December 2, 2017 at 9:38 am #38567
With Aaron Boone’s hiring by the Yankees, ESPN notes this:
Aaron Boone will be the 9th active manager at the helm of a team he played for: Aaron Boone (NYY) Kevin Cash (TB) Alex Cora (BOS) Craig Counsell (MIL) Terry Francona (CLE) Dave Martinez (WSH) Mike Matheny (STL) Paul Molitor (MIN) Dave Roberts (LAD)January 26, 2018 at 8:32 am #42615
Matheny is back on the internet after what appears to be a three-year absence.February 16, 2018 at 3:56 pm #43956
Bernie is all over Matheny for a perceived dig at Carlos Martinez.
Personally, I am not buzzed about a mid-40’s guy calling a mid-20’s guy, “kid”. My issue is with Matheny taking Martinez to task publicly on his game preparation. If he has an issue, it should not be in the news on the first days of camp. I would make it priority #1 for Maddux to try to get through to Martinez first and only go public as a last resort – if they think shaming would actually work as a positive motivator.
Otherwise, you have to ask yourself, “Why did Matheny think it is a good idea to talk down his best pitcher?” And remember, this is from a man whose leadership ability is supposedly one of his strengths.
I am not big on the “Mike’s guys” and “not Mike’s guys” story line, but it sure seems like Carlos is not. He is a guy I would want on my side if I was the manager.February 16, 2018 at 5:25 pm #43967
Matheny is an idiot and he keeps showing people what a clown he really isFebruary 16, 2018 at 5:30 pm #43969
Surely you have more to offer than personal insults. Or why comment at all?
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