Luke Gregerson – Closer

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  • #42106

    Nigel T
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    I think the Memphis shuttle comment infers that the 13th guy will be organizational guys who are not in a rotation until those plays dry up.
    I would guess Lucas, Wick, etc…would be the first calls rather than more talented rotation guys. I would also guess younger guys with lower inning limits like Hicks and Fernandez may be the first to get pulled from rotations because this doesn’t diminish their perceived trade value like it night for Hudson or another guy trying to prove he is a starter.
    Reyes should take a few rehab starts to work command and build strength. I would guess they could even burn an option since he figures to stick. Reyes could become a long fireman until he moves towards the back end.
    If he were to emerge as a top of the rotation starter, that would Trump more conservative plans.

    #42111
    BlackHillsCard
    BlackHillsCard
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    I actually see Reyes starting out on the DL so they don’t have to waste an option. He can rehab 30 days before coming off the DL which should give him ample time to be recovered.

    Also I am in 100% agreement with Noonan regarding the Front Office.

    #42125

    bccran
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    Sure, Mo made a mistake thinking Grichuk, Piscotty, Wong, and Adams
    would become core players. But it’s in line with the Cardinal theme that most strength comes from within. He augmented that, however, with bringing in some veteran leadership from the outside to help – Heyward, Fowler, Gyorko, and now Ozuna. Sometimes
    prospects stumble when they’re first called up from Memphis and sometimes they excel. One poster said that all 10 call-ups from Memphis last season didn’t help us
    get to the playoffs. Perhaps not, but some of them sure did their best to try – Reyes, DeJong, Martinez, Weaver, Tuivailala, etc. and they got valuable experience which bodes well for strong contributions in the future.

    I still go back to the flame throwers in the minors who may be destined for the bullpen – Hicks, Helsley, Fernandez, Hudson, etc.
    I think Mo is just waiting for Holland and several others to shorter their term demands. It’s a smart move on Mo’s part. Who wants another 4 year deal for a bullpener
    ala Cecil?

    #42127

    Houstonlarry24
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    Team need another bat………………….

    #42128

    forsch31
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    If we NEED another bat, at what position and/or in place of who?

    #42130

    NJ315
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    Hosmer at 1B trade Carp or let him play 3rd and share time with Gyorko. Or trade Gyorko.

    #42133
    BlackHillsCard
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    Cecil only had 2-3 good years before signing with us and he actually had a better year with us last year than his last year in Toronto. My whole take is Mo is not as good at evaluating talent as people want to give him credit for. That’s why we overpaid for Leake and Cecil who are mediocre pitchers. Nicasio signed a 2 year contract. What was wrong with re-signing him after we traded for him. That trade comes down to being entirely pointless and a waste-another Mo specialty.

    #42136

    bccran
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    I like Mo, but sometimes his moves are head scratching. I thought he would sign Nicasio as soon as possible when the off season started.
    Natural fit. He had performed well here, and he had stated he would like to stay here. Puzzling.

    #42137

    PadsFS
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    Cecil didn’t convert to relief pitching until a few years ago. He was also injured in 2016 some if I recall correctly.

    For all those against Greg Holland, I noticed his ZIPs projection of 1.4 is higher than any of our relievers.

    Ours go:
    Cecil – 1.1
    Bowman – 0.9
    Gregerson – 0.9
    Lyons – 0.9
    Tuivailala – 0.7
    Brebbia – 0.6

    #42140

    thejager
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    team front line starter

    #42141

    mudville
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    I think just about anybody would like to have Holland. But at what price?

    #42190

    bccran
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    I wonder if they’re thinking about slotting Leone at closer. The stats and bulldog attitude seem to be there.

    #42220

    Bw52
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    I think it will be Gregerson,Lyons,Leone starting the season as 3 headed closer.

    #42271

    Brianpnoonan
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    To be fair… We could have a line on an elite guy. Throw one of those in and our bullpen looks extremely solid in both depth and quality.

    #42291

    PadsFS
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    (Assuming we go with 7 relievers)
    Well, now that Leone is on board, we’ve at least pushed Sherriff back to AAA. If we acquire another bullpen piece, it will be at the expense of someone that is pretty good. Tuivailala is out of options and Brebbia and Bowman have options, but were more reliable in 2017. Cecil, Lyons, Gregerson, and Leone are all fixtures in the BP.

    (Assuming we go with 8 relievers)
    Now that Leone is here, we will still have Sherriff in the bullpen so acquiring another bullpen piece would just push Sherriff out to AAA.

    #42293

    Brian Walton
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    There is no reason to not assume eight relievers (other than the first week of the season perhaps). Mo was very clear about that.

    I suspect we will see someone else signed. I doubt he will be an “elite” guy, though. (Just a guess – no inside information implied.)

    #42298

    PadsFS
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    With the Grichuk trade and the arbitration salaries set, I have our payroll at $141.59M.

    With our typical 5% payroll growth over the last ten years, That leaves $17.15M to spend for 2018.

    If we go to $175M as Goold indicated, that would leave $33.42M to spend still.

    I bet they still add Holland personally.

    #42299

    NJ315
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    I hope they add Hosmer.

    #42302

    gscottar
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    There are still a lot of players still on the board and we still have a lot of dry powder. Hopefully Mo will get the green light to light the fuse and hopefully he will have the gumption to do it.

    If we signed Hosmer and Holland that would put us around $175. If we signed Hosmer and Lynn/Cobb that would put us around $175. There are still options out there if we choose to do it. Otherwise it is wait until July. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of these free agents decide to take a short term pillow deal.

    #42306

    stlcard25
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    In hindsight, how much better would it have been to overwhelm a guy like Kenley Jansen (who was my personal favorite free agent in 2016) than have to pay for a Greg Holland this year? 5/90 may have pulled him away from the Dodgers.

    I’d rather take a chance on one of the AA/AAA arms than spend huge money on a 32 year old closer.

    #42312

    Brianpnoonan
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    Hosmer isnt worth the money. We dont need another mediocre high paid player.

    #42313

    NJ315
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    He is not mediocre just not elite. He is a good compliment to Ozuna. They are both young and can be good together. As far as the money goes he will be paid accordingly. He is not getting Stanton, Harper, Machado, Trout type contract. What player that is better than Hosmer will get paid less than him? Money is an investing and like with any investment there are risks. But he won’t get 10 years or over 200 million.

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    #42315

    PadsFS
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    If Moustakas is going to sign for Jay Bruce money, then he would be a much better option than Hosmer.

    #42316

    Brianpnoonan
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    Hes barely above average. There is a word for that.

    Mediocre.

    #42317

    mudville
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    I hope they don’t add Hosmer or Moustakas.

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