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  • #36799
    BlackHillsCard
    BlackHillsCard
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    I’d be fine with Hickey or Maddox. I don’t know enough about Bosio though.

    #36840

    gscottar
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    I would be fine with any of the three. Maybe Eversgard will get the bullpen job. Would be a nice promotion for him.

    #36846

    thejager
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    I think Eversgard will get a look but will probably end up with the bullpen coach job as long as the new pitchign coach is cool with it

    I like Maddux and Hickey…but we will have to really drop coin to pry hickey i think from the Cubs grasp

    #36880

    CariocaCardinal
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    This article makes the case for John Smoltz for pitching coach

    St. Louis Cardinals: The ideal pitching coach nobody saw coming

    #36882

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Thanks, CC, but I am not even going to waste any time reading it. Smoltz has been clear in recent years that he does not embrace analytics.

    #36900

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Indians named Carl Willis their new pitching coach. He had been the Red Sox pitching coach under John Farrell. Cleveland’s prior pitching coach, Mickey Calloway, is the Mets new manager.

    #36909

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Twins also add new pitching coach, a guy named Garvin Alston. He was Oakland’s bullpen coach.

    #36911

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Ken Rosenthal reporting via Twitter that Mike Maddux will be the new Cardinals pitching coach. Jon Heyman now also saying same thing.

    #36912

    gscottar
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    Works for me. I assume Hickey is going to the Cubs.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 4 weeks ago by  gscottar.
    #36926

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Not surprisingly, Eversgerd was given the bullpen job.

    #36940

    Brian Walton
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    #36945

    Derek Shore
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    Hickey to the Cubs:

    #36947

    SoonerinNC
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    I suspect that the reason Bosio was let go was to hire Hickey. Had he not been available the Cubs would likely have stuck with Bosio.

    #36949

    CariocaCardinal
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    Have read probably 10 articles on the Maddux signing. Lots of accolades about his teaching and handling of pitchers. Not one mentioned of his use of analytics.

    #36953
    UConn Card
    UConn Card
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    Within descriptions of Maddux’s approach – from his early arrival at the ballpark to his extensive use of analytics for scouting – is the framework of what the Cardinals want from a different look in his role. The Cardinals want a coordinator as well as coach

    From the Post-Dispatch article below
    Cardinals hire Mike Maddux as pitching coach, promote Eversgerd

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by UConn Card UConn Card.
    #36967

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    According to Ken Rosenthal, Maddux had five offers, but of course, the Cards were said to be his first choice.

    #36974

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    A friend of mine from DC told me that Maddux was making $2 MM per year on his two year deal with Washington that had just ended. It will be interesting to see what he got from StL, if it comes out. Given he was reportedly in high demand, one could guess he did even better this time around.

    #37197

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Bosio went to the Tigers. Lilliquist news is non-existent.

    #37265

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Good story about how Mike Maddux turned the corner as a young pitcher against the 1986 Cardinals.

    https://retrosimba.com/2017/11/04/cardinals-helped-mike-maddux-get-foothold-in-majors/

    #37270

    TexasCard
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    #37275

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    I wonder if there is a difference between assistant hitting coach and bullpen coach.

    #37279

    TexasCard
    Participant

    Probably not lol.

    #37292

    CariocaCardinal
    Participant

    Just thinking how it is ironic that a team with bullpen issues hired a pitching coach coming from a team that has suffered the last few years from bullpem issues. Not saying it was Maddox’s fault or that that makes him a bad hire, just pointing out the irony.

    #37446

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    I will preface this by saying that I got to know Brent Strom better than Derek Lilliquist, so that is bound to affect my opinion of them. And I can certainly be accused of second-guessing.

    However, in reading the following story, it reminded me that the Cards had the right pitching coach in house when Duncan retired, but they gave the job to the bullpen coach Lilliquist who was more aligned with Duncan, instead of the minor league pitching coordinator Strom. Perhaps the events were affected by Duncan’s indefinite “leave of absence,” but I have always had great respect for Strom’s knowledge and was really sorry he left. I figured he would do well with Houston.

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/260820376/luhnows-hiring-of-brent-strom-a-game-changer/

    #37554

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Well, Lilliquist did get an MLB pitching coach job – with the Nationals. So in effect, he and Maddux traded places.

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