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  • #36363

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    I would call Duncan a data miner. He had huge binders detailing every matchup and looked for trends to exploit.

    #36520

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Jenifer Langosch reports that Mo was to meet with Jim Hickey in Florida this week.

    #36525

    mudville
    Participant

    I wonder how much Larussa would have won without Duncan’s coaching, his consultation and advice, and his reclamation projects. I don’t believe he would have won nearly as much as he did.

    #36528

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    La Russa was always very straightforward about the importance of Duncan.

    #36547

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    What no one has mentioned as part of the Baker firing in Washington is whether pitching coach Mike Maddux will be considered by the Cardinals. He is very highly respected.

    #36550

    858booyah
    Participant

    Any news on whom the bench coach will be? It appears that all the focus will be on the Pitching Coach. Any chance it’ll be an outside hire or you think it’ll be someone that Matheny is comfortable with?

    Maybe they’ll consider Mabry for bench coach and hire a new hitting coach.

    #36552

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Not sure how you can assess that all the focus will be on the pitching coach since the bench coach job has been open for less than 24 hours so far.

    Interesting thought on Mabry. If so, the hitting coach decision would also draw a lot of attention.

    What I am wondering about is whether top external coaches will be reluctant to consider the Cardinals with Matheny’s future potentially hinging on next season. Long-term contract for coaches or not, a new manager might want his own guys. (That assumes it would be a veteran with some clout, not another first-timer.) Of course, there is no way to predict the future. But if I was a coaching candidate, the managerial situation would surely cross my mind.

    #36553
    bicyclemike
    bicyclemike
    Moderator

    Goo point on the potential coaching decisions. It’s obvious that Matheny’s job is on the line in 2018. Unless a guy feels very loyal to Matheny, a more stable situation would probably be more attractive than the one in St. Louis.

    Then again, a more stable situation most likely will not have any openings, so a coach looking for a job may not have many options.

    #36556

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    I bet top pitching coaches Hickey, Maddux and Farrell (if he doesn’t manage) will be in demand.

    As an aside, I noted that with the departure of Bell, Bill Mueller is the only remaining member of the Cardinals staff to have ever coached at the major or minor league level with another organization. Lilliquist was another career Cardinal coach.

    Internal hires are great, but it is past time for fresh ideas.

    #36558

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    As I said, there is demand out there. According to Bob Nightengale, the Cubs have fired their pitching coach Chris Bosio, with speculation that Maddon wants Hickey to rejoin him in Chicago. If so, Mo wasted his interview trip to Florida.

    #36567

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Another opening has been created. The Giants have fired pitching coach Dave Righetti, who is moving into the front office.

    #36569

    Ratsbuddy
    Participant

    If all these pitching coaches keep getting fired before long we will have to bring back Hub Kittle.

    Speaking of Hub, is he still with us? Mark Riggins is still available as well.

    #36587

    858booyah
    Participant

    Are any of these guys numbers geeks?

    I’m betting on Eversgerd. It’s the right price and someone who will just be happy to have the job.

    Bench coach who know….another friend of the program.

    #36589

    CariocaCardinal
    Participant

    I wonder if Flores is being considered.

    #36590

    nbr1hawkeye
    Participant

    I think Flores would make a better bullpen coach… we need one of them also. Not sure that he would be interested in that job though.

    #36591

    SoonerinNC
    Participant

    I think Flores has a more important job.

    #36596

    TexasCard
    Participant

    SO here are the teams that need pitching coaches:

    Cubs
    Cardinals
    Indians
    Rays
    Mets
    Nationals
    Twins
    Giants
    Red Sox
    Royals

    Have I missed any? There is some competition for the top guys and we don’t win those battles for players do we win it for coaches? The Cubs may have already beat them for the top choice.

    #36598

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    My money is on neither Eversgerd nor Flores. Outside candidate more likely.

    #36612

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Hickey is interviewing with the Cubs on Monday, according to a Chicago ESPN radio personality. Hickey reportedly already interviewed with the Red Sox in addition to with Mo.

    #36621

    nbr1hawkeye
    Participant

    So far, all of the talk has been about the pitching coach. What about the bullpen coach? Who are the candidates? I think it should be someone who was a reliever himself.

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    #36624
    BlackHillsCard
    BlackHillsCard
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    Let’s stop hiring guys guys with zero coaching history…have we learned nothing with the Matheny fiasco?!?

    I agree with Brian that outside eyes could help us. We haven’t gotten better by promoting from within, although I do like Jason Simontachi

    #36625

    CariocaCardinal
    Participant

    Pitching coach will probably have a say in the bullpen coach selection so it will probably come later.

    #36626

    Onyxgem
    Participant

    I am sure whoever they sign for either will be just brought up from internally or be low hanging fruit, they won’t go get anybody major.

    #36645

    gscottar
    Participant

    We can’t beat the Cubs at anything these days. Now they will get the pitching coach we want.

    #36797

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Bob Nightengale tweeted that the Cards are “expected to hire Jim Hickey, Mike Maddux or Chris Bosio” as pitching coach.

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