September 6, 2017 at 2:17 pm #32488
On Wednesday, the Cardinals acquired much-needed relief help with the addition of Juan Nicasio from the Philadelphia Phillies for top second base prospect Eliezer Alvarez.
September 6, 2017 at 3:00 pm #32490
- This topic was modified 5 months, 2 weeks ago by Derek Shore.
We can expect maybe 8 or 9 innings (with only 24 games left) before he becomes a free agent for one of our top 20 prospects? Really?September 6, 2017 at 3:16 pm #32491
Really? is right! Wouldnt even be eligible for the playoffs.September 6, 2017 at 3:27 pm #32492
Nice trade for Philles. They just claimed him on waivers 6 days ago.September 6, 2017 at 3:31 pm #32493
Wow MO and Company show their utter incompetence yet again.September 6, 2017 at 3:41 pm #32497
If he gets us into the playoffs it might be worth it.
I think it is obvious we put a waiver claim on him before Aug. 31 only to be blocked by the Pirates. They didn’t want him coming here. Looks like that move backfired on the Pirates.September 6, 2017 at 4:03 pm #32499
My guess is we wanted to claim him but the Phillies swooped him up first to grab another prospect.
My guess is we have already made some choices on the 40 man. I’m not upset that was lost him. I’m more upset we didn’t do anything until now. Some are acting like we lost the next Placido
Polonco. We have Wong and Gyorko, Dejong can play 2nd, Garcia and Velera already. It’s ok to lose this guy. It won’t devastate the franchise for years to come.
Will the mean less Oh and Cecil?September 6, 2017 at 4:32 pm #32500
Also I never thought about the pirates not wanting him in the Central. Makes me this we claimed jim.on revokable waivers and they yanked him back. Which I guess mean Huntington plan didn’t work.September 6, 2017 at 5:46 pm #32501
Pretty obvious we weren’t going to protect alvar x and we’re confident someone would snatch him so we got something for him which might help us in the stretch run for the playoffs
We also get the slight chance to negotiate before he hits FA should we want toSeptember 6, 2017 at 8:18 pm #32502
If the Pirates are in sell.mode, why do they care who claims him. They should have got something for him.September 6, 2017 at 9:27 pm #32505
Yet another dumb end of the year trade by the front office.September 7, 2017 at 8:18 am #32534
I really liked this guy last year. The Pirates tried to make him a starter and he didn’t do great, but he is more stretched out so to speak than a normal reliever.September 7, 2017 at 9:16 am #32537
One very important point that’s been made previously in this thread is regarding whether management planned on putting Alvarez on the 40-man for protection in the upcoming Rule 5 draft. If not, then he was as good as gone. (San Diego’s proven that twice in the two most recent Rule 5 drafts.)
IF that’s the case, and none of us know either way, then at least St Louis got something for him. And they get first dibs at re-signing Nicasio, if interested.September 7, 2017 at 9:22 am #32538
BW has given a solid take on this trade. I’m not a fan of summer rentals anywhere in MLB. Nicasio becomes another option for Matheny and he’ll probably make use of him often. It cost us a few bucks for his services, a uniform and 7 letters for the back.
Alvarez always carried a nice bat. This season could have been his breakout but he was shelved due to a long stint on the DL and when he came back he struggled at the plate. He wasn’t known for his defense and that may have kept him down on the prospects list. Since we already have a glut of 2Bs and he might have been taken anyway, it doesn’t seem to hurt us much.
The Phillies have a good batch of prospects. With Kingery #3 ready to step in as their 2B and another 2B #18 Brito (ETA 2020) they might have feel a need for Alvarez in between. I think it was PHI wanting Alvarez rather than the Cards offering him. He has been placed at #26 on their top-30 prospects. Brian’s Aug. list had him at #24 and MLB’s most recent list had him #20.(He moved up when others came off).
With the departure of Alvarez our 22 y.o. fourth round pick in June Kramer Robertson, has been moved unto MLB’s Cardinal top-30 at #30. Drafted as a 2B, Kramer has been playing SS for the low-A Peoria Chiefs and has had a very solid rookie season.September 7, 2017 at 10:40 am #32542
It seems worth a shot as we need the bullpen help, and improving a shot at the post season today is worth a lot. If Alvarez becomes an everyday regular in the bigs, then we most likely overpaid unless we go deep into post season, but as others have pointed out we have depth at second, and so this is not going to cripple the organization. Not a real high risk, and while a bit of a long shot, the potential reward is decent.September 7, 2017 at 11:41 am #32545
Since the all-star break, we have just two relief pitchers that have an ERA under 4.00 – Lyons – 0.44 and Brebbia – 2.45
Nicasio is at 3.32 for the second half.September 7, 2017 at 12:10 pm #32546
Just to make UConn’s post a little more accurate. Alverez was already on the 40 man roster. Before he could be removed (and become eligible for the rule 5 draft) he would have to be offered on waivers to all 30 teams. The claiming team would have had to have placed him in their 40 man roster. If the Phillies wanted him they would have had a crack at him before the Padres.September 7, 2017 at 12:39 pm #32548
Thanks for the clarification/correction. I forgot that Alvarez was already on the 40-man.September 7, 2017 at 1:33 pm #32553
Alvarez won’t be missed.Cards have others coming up to be middle INF prospects.Nicasio can help get to the playoffs THIS YEAR.Alvarez couldn’t. Cards have better prospects who will need 40 man roster protection so losing Alvarez is acceptable IMHOSeptember 7, 2017 at 3:16 pm #32555
giving good to solid prospects away for maybe 7-10 appearances of a RP is BEYOND STUPIDSeptember 7, 2017 at 4:32 pm #32556
Disagree. It might be any one, or all, of those 7-10 appearances that make the difference that gets us into the postseason. Alvarez wasn’t going to play in St. Louis.September 7, 2017 at 5:47 pm #32558
If Alvarez amounts to anything more than a backup INF with decent glove AND Nicasio fails in the last few weeks AND doesn’t sign with the Cards when he becomes a FA then it might prove to be adumb trade.September 7, 2017 at 7:33 pm #32561December 13, 2017 at 3:16 pm #39515
From Ken Rosenthal:
Sources: #Mariners, #STLCards vying for free-agent reliever Juan Nicasio.December 13, 2017 at 3:21 pm #39517
I think this would be a great move!
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