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September 30, 2017 at 1:02 pm #3473414NyquisTParticipant
Don’t dismiss Flaherty’s maturity, confidence and moxie. A strong spring puts him in the rotation, he should be considered done at AAA.
September 30, 2017 at 1:21 pm #34735I’m not. Being conservative doesn’t disallow progression… In theory anyway.
Just saying… Maybe. I’m not the one making decisions so….
October 1, 2017 at 10:44 am #34789PadsFSParticipantFlaherty should be ticketed as the 6th or 7th starter for sure next year. I really hope he can get a month or two in Memphis at least next year.
October 1, 2017 at 11:06 am #34791Pretty much what I was thinking. Weaver has looked much different this year than last. Has been decent. I would expect similar from flaherty.
If he is better than that and can make it a full year great. Having young guys around wainright for a full year even if he is slowing down sure won’t hurt them at all.
October 1, 2017 at 7:17 pm #34843I think Flaherty needs a full year at AAA. I don’t think his pitches have peaked yet. He needs more time for development. He came out of nowhere this year. But that doesn’t mean that he’s really arrived anywhere yet.
BTW, after the game today Dan McLaughlin said that Wainwright was going to have surgery to clean up his elbow, and that he’ll be ready to pitch next Spring……….
October 2, 2017 at 9:41 am #34895Hicks is the only Cardinals prospect on this year’s BA MWL Top 20. He ranked at No. 13
October 2, 2017 at 9:45 am #34898Derek, what is your impression of that ranking? Do you have a take on whether the other pitchers ahead of him are better prospects? Just curious.
October 2, 2017 at 9:58 am #34899Well, the first three spots are taken up by three position players (Guerrero, Tatis, and Bichette) who each are top national prospects. Guerrero and Bichette were No. 1 and 2 in the FSL Top 20 for more reference.
Hicks was the fifth best pitching prospect on that list which I think is the right ranking because he’s slightly older than the ones ahead. Hicks still lacks a quality third-pitch. Command remains inconsistent and he doesn’t miss bats as well as those ahead.
BA did have a glowing report on him, citing his ceiling as a No. 2-3 starter with closing potential.
That’s just my take.
October 2, 2017 at 9:59 am #34901It should also be noted a Cuban the Cardinals were reportedly looking at in the spring of 2016, Michel Baez, ranked as the best pitching prospect in the MWL. The Padres outbidded the Cards with $3-million signing bonus.
October 2, 2017 at 10:03 am #34904Thanks, Derek!
October 2, 2017 at 10:04 am #34905bccranParticipantHicks at Peoria – 78ip/75h/63k/39w/3.35era/1.46whip
O’Reilly at Peoria – 87.2ip/49h/89k/11w/1.75era/0.68whip
Hmmm. Fastball and 2 year age difference?
October 2, 2017 at 10:05 am #34906I’m sure O’Reilly (hopefully) will be brought up in today’s chat. Same with Knizner, Edman, and Carlson.
October 2, 2017 at 10:12 am #34910In this morning’s lead story, our local Peoria writer, Nick Konow, explains to members why O’Reilly is his Peoria Starting Pitcher of the Year, but Hicks is the better prospect.
https://thecardinalnation.com/2017-peoria-chiefs-starting-pitcher-of-the-year/
Also, brand new for members, Derek has an in-depth article on Hicks, with comments from the pitcher, coaches and peers.
https://thecardinalnation.com/hicks-learning-the-finer-of-pitching-than-overwhelming-hitters/
October 3, 2017 at 3:18 pm #35089Cardinals only had one in the NYPL Top 20 as well. Evan Mendoza comes in at No. 12 for State College.
October 4, 2017 at 3:03 pm #35159BA posted its MLB All-Rookie Team. Paul DeJong is included.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/2017-major-league-rookie-team/
October 6, 2017 at 9:29 am #35296For the third straight BA league top 20, Cardinals were represented by one prospect – Alvaro Seijas (No. 14) in the Appy League Top 20.
October 6, 2017 at 10:58 pm #35356Wow…i didn’t even expect that considering his numbers.
October 7, 2017 at 10:04 am #35383Seijas pitched better than his numbers reflect: 3.60 FIP compared to 4.97 ERA. Strikeout rate was okay, but his walk rate was lower than his number at the Jupiter complex last year. Strong year considering he pitched in front of a crowd and at night for the first time in his life, IMO. Also, don’t forget he isn’t undersized anymore, either.
October 10, 2017 at 10:33 am #35671Two Cards prospects in GCL Top 20 – Montero at 9 and Machado at 18.
October 10, 2017 at 10:45 am #35675Thanks, Derek!
(Make sure you catch Derek’s analysis of the Springfield Player of the Year to be posted for members on Wednesday morning!)
October 10, 2017 at 11:10 am #35678bccranParticipantGoing back to Bader, if there are 16 teams in the PCL and they carry a roster of 25, that’s 400 hundred players. If Bader is rated in the top 20, that means he’s rated in the top 5% of players in that AAA league. Are we overlooking him because of Pham’s and Martinez’s success and the pickup of O’Neill?
October 10, 2017 at 11:15 am #35679bccranParticipantPCL – DeJong/Kelly/Flaherty/Weaver/Bader
TL – Flaherty/Sierra/Hudson(POY)/Garcia/Mercado/Alcantara
FSL – Helsley
MWL – Hicks
NYPL – Mendoza
AL – Seijas
GCL – Montero/MachadoTop loaded. Donut hole had closed because of progression, good drafting, and additional signings.
October 10, 2017 at 1:41 pm #35687Donut hole closed. Mushroom developing.
November 6, 2017 at 5:20 pm #37333BA has published its new Cardinals top 10 with commentary by analyst Kyle Glaser.
(Our list will be different!)
https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2018-st-louis-cardinals-top-10-prospects/
1. Alex Reyes, RHP
2. Jack Flaherty, RHP
3. Carson Kelly, C
4. Sandy Alcantara, RHP
5. Tyler O’Neill, OF
6. Jordan Hicks, RHP
7. Magneuris Sierra, OF
8. Harrison Bader, OF
9. Dakota Hudson, RHP
10. Ryan Helsley, RHPNovember 6, 2017 at 5:57 pm #37335What did BA have Helsley ranked the last 2 years. If I remember correctly it wasn’t very high.
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