November 10, 2017 at 9:35 pm #37631
The Cardinal Nation’s 13th annual countdown of the 50 best St. Louis Cardinals prospects starts Monday, November 13 and will be unveiled over the subsequent 50-day period.November 11, 2017 at 10:58 am #37641
I’ve been waiting for 50 days + since the season ended. It’s a good reason to show up every day (which I do anyway). There should be some good conversations and spirited opinions.
BW…. will the list include your’s and Derek’s individual selections each day? I can’t remember how it was presented last off-season but I have the results from 2016 & 2015.
Is there any plans for 1/12/18 to the opening of ST camps? If not, perhaps you can ask for suggestions to get us through the harshest 6 weeks of the hot stove.November 12, 2017 at 12:10 am #37654
Yes, the detailed top 50 articles each day will include the three individual voters’ votes. I also run a summary article at the end with all the individual votes in one table.
The Winter Warm-Up and its associated content will take up much of the second half of January. In 1H February, I look at other prospect lists, project minor league rosters, look at new additions and players leaving, analyze spring training schedules and invitee lists to the various camps. By mid-February, players report.
Some years back, I used to worry about the quiet time, but it always gets filled up. My article to-do list is never complete. I just run out of hours in the day.November 13, 2017 at 12:22 am #37693
Ever wonder how we do in our rankings compared to Baseball America?
I did a study of all of the top 30 rankings of The Cardinal Nation vs Baseball America from 2007-2017
Using WAR of the ranked players as included in baseball reference the results are as follows
Total WAR of ranked players 2007-2017 is TCN 591.5 and BA 586.4
#1 ranked players TCN 88.2 and BA 86.2
1-5 ranked players TCN 283.6 BA 277.6
6-10 TCN 111.3 BA 89.7
11-20 TCN 156.4 BA 161.7
21-30 TCN 40.2 BA 57.4
Baseball America finished ahead 3 of the 4 earliest years and then TCN had the best WAR 4 years in a row. Tied in 15 and 16 and BA ahead 5-2.6 in 2017
Year by year for those interested
2007 TCN 63.6 BA 75.0
2008 TCN 78.5 BA 65.5
2009 TCN 84.7 BA 95.6
2010 TCN 71.1 BA 76.3
2011 TCN 70.1 BA 66.5
2012 TCN 66.3 BA 62.3
2013 TCN 73.5 BA 61.8
2014 TCN 44.4 BA 41.5
2015 TCN 26.6 BA 26.6
2016 TCN 10.1 BA 10.1
2017 TCN 2.6 BA 5.0November 13, 2017 at 12:53 pm #37723
The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown for 2018 kicks off at #50 with a second baseman-outfielder who was rewarded for a big comeback season at Triple-A with his MLB debut. FREE article!
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Will a new secondary offering enable The Cardinal Nation’s #49 prospect, RHR Rowan Wick, to fulfill his potential after a spotty 2017? ($)November 15, 2017 at 9:32 am #37819
The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown for 2018 moves to #48 with a right-hander who battled injuries for the second consecutive year but still has a strong arsenal of pitches, Derian Gonzalez. ($)November 15, 2017 at 9:46 am #37821
Wick overvalued at #49, BW had him at #56… I had him at #57.November 15, 2017 at 10:41 am #37826
I think Wick will be fine. He was pushed quickly given his recent move to pitching…Jordan Schafer is likewise given a longer leash as a pitcher as well. Think of them like newly drafted pitchers and they are speeding through the organization.November 16, 2017 at 9:34 am #37896
The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown for 2018 pauses at #47 with a right-hander who pitches well at Triple-A but has stumbled at each shot in the Majors. ($)November 16, 2017 at 10:04 am #37899
I was surprised to see Mayers at #47… I was closer to Derek’s ranking, I put him at the last spot on my top-60. I would like to see him get a shot in a different organization, he’s been slapped around too much in this one. There’s just too many other arms in our farm system for him to compete against for a starting job and that’s why I put him at a lower ranking.November 16, 2017 at 10:48 am #37901
Mayers received community votes in mid 30s, so 47 overall should not be all that surprising. But I get why not everyone agrees.November 17, 2017 at 8:15 am #37934
The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown for 2018 lands at #46 with a former first-round draft pick who was challenged in the Midwest League but has yet to click, Nick Plummer. ($)November 17, 2017 at 8:38 am #37939
Plummer didn’t come up on my radar at all. C’mon now… is he still a “prospect”?November 17, 2017 at 9:07 am #37945
Where was your voice during the community vote, when Plummer came in at #42 there? Had he been in the mid-50s with the other two voters, he would not have placed in the overall top 50. The community vote matters…November 17, 2017 at 9:45 am #37946
Yes the Community vote matters. I didn’t post any negative comments but rather assumed the others made their selections based on solid grounds. Am I wrong there?
I commented on Wick and Mayers also, and where I placed them. Some of the Community voting surprised me and your’s and Derek’s will also… but I have my own judgments in these topics. After #30, the opinions vary at a higher rate.November 17, 2017 at 10:00 am #37948
In all the time of ranking here, I had never seen expressed before the opinion of some this year who wanted to suppress anything but positive comments about any prospect. I believe that significantly limited valuable pros and cons discussion just because some seemed too sensitive to be willing to look at the bad as well as the good.
Why should anyone have to assume what was behind others’ rankings? Why not be able to just ask them their opinion – and be prepared to deal with whatever the answer would be? No one has to agree with anyone, but all should feel free to be open with their views – as long as they are not personal or malicious. I did not see any of the latter.
I offered my opinion on the matter at the time, but ultimately, the voting is a community-driven process. My point in resurrecting this now is that if anyone does not like the end result, consider what may be done differently in the process next time.November 17, 2017 at 10:08 am #37949
I agree that after 25-30, any voting can be debated fairly easily. Melding three lists into one does help sort out the outliers.
In this particular case, there were enough community voters who feel Plummer belongs in the early 40s to drive his overall ranking into the mid-40s.November 17, 2017 at 9:41 pm #37987
The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown for 2018 continues to #45 with a second baseman who quietly had a very solid 2017 season in A-ball, Andy Young. FREE article!November 19, 2017 at 8:27 am #38012
The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown for 2018 arrives at #44 with Juan Yepez, a very young potential power hitter who needs to grow both offensively and defensively. ($)November 20, 2017 at 8:48 am #38042
At #43 in The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown is a reliever who made his MLB debut then pitched in the Arizona Fall League, Josh Lucas. ($)November 21, 2017 at 9:55 am #38118
Next in The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown at #42 is a 20-year old outfielder who is looking to unlock his power potential, but hasn’t yet found his groove, Bryce Denton. ($)November 22, 2017 at 8:12 am #38144
Now at #41 in The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown is veteran left-handed reliever Ryan Sherriff, successful at Triple-A, but still working toward an ongoing spot with St. Louis. ($)November 23, 2017 at 9:07 am #38180
The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown for 2018 stops at #40 with a power-hitting third baseman who will be available in the Rule 5 Draft after leading the Cardinals system in home runs in 2017, Patrick Wisdom. FREE article!November 23, 2017 at 12:53 pm #38196
Wisdom’s roller-coaster ride on TCN’s prospects ranking continues…
2013 = #18
2014 = #15
2015 = #27
2016 = #24
2017 = #40
So what’s it going to be Patrick? Are you ever going to get back to #15 again? Will you still be with us in ’18? Are you ever going to be on the grass at Busch? You’re 26 now and not 22 anymore, giddyup, the clock is ticking.. Well……….. what are the answers to these inquires, mystery-man?
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