October 26, 2017 at 1:20 pm #36905
In a somewhat silly process designed to draw more attention to the awards, they announce in advance the top three vote-getters for each Gold Glove Award, calling them finalists. In reality, the votes have been counted and the winners are known. We just have to wait longer to find out.
Anyway, for NL catcher, Molina, Buster Posey and Tucker Barnhart are the top three. Posey won last year, breaking Molina’s eight-year hold on the award.October 26, 2017 at 1:56 pm #36914
The SABR Defensive Index counts for 25% of Gold Glove scoring. In most recent results, through 8/27, among NL catchers, Barnhart was third, Molina fifth and Posey sixth.October 26, 2017 at 2:55 pm #36927
No other Cardinals named Gold Glove Award finalists, so it will be Molina or bust in 2017.October 26, 2017 at 4:06 pm #36932
grats to Yadi
Barnhardt had a pretty impressive season behind the dish…didnt see alot of Posey this year, and a lot of Molina who i think was much improved from last year
will be a tough call, Barnhardt might deserve it but not get it… Posey or Molina will probably always get bonus points for past and offensive prowess (though Barnhrdt wasnt a total slouch on offense)October 27, 2017 at 10:30 am #36971
Sort of ridiculous Pham didn’t get recognized in LF or Gyorko at 3B.October 27, 2017 at 10:46 am #36972
NL SABR defensive rankings thru 8/27: Gyorko 2nd, Pham 4th at their positions.
“Finalists” 3B in SDI
“Finalists” LF in SDI
Hernan Perez 2nd
Chris Taylor 3rd
So in Gyorko’s case, the votes must have been against him. Maybe there is some built in prejudice because he was a second baseman playing third. Just a wild guess, though.
In Pham’s case, it looks like he was on the borderline. Both Perez and Taylor are multi-position guys, which makes their candidacy cloudier.
It is nice bragging rights, I guess, to be a finalist, but I will be very surprised if Arenado and Ozuna aren’t the winners.October 30, 2017 at 10:39 am #37070
The Fielding Bible Awards, separate from Gold Glove, have been announced. Just one player per position for all of MLB. No Cards chosen, with Martin Maldonado of the Angels their selection at catcher.
Molina won six times, most recently in 2013.
Here are the nine winners for 2017.November 7, 2017 at 9:44 pm #37459
I think Molina’s Gold Glove ship has sailed. Rather than Posey repeating, the winner is Tucker Barnhart.November 8, 2017 at 9:34 am #37479
Yeah, so the Cardinals walked away from a trade for Ozuna with the Marlins last year. Instead they signed Fowler for 5 years/$82.5 million. Not only did Ozuna have a career year at the plate, he won a Gold Glove, while Fowler put up one of the worst defensive seasons among center fielders, in a year the Cardinals talked about needing defensive improvements.
https://www.fishstripes.com/2017/11/7/16621188/miami-marlins-marcell-ozuna-wins-2017-rawlings-gold-glove-award-left-fieldNovember 8, 2017 at 10:09 am #37483
I did not see any reference to the Cardinals supposedly walking away from an Ozuna trade in that article.
P.S. My gut tells me that if Ozuna had been that available, he would have been traded somewhere long before now. He has been rumored to be on the block for well over a year, but there seems far more smoke than fire. Maybe that will change with the Jeter group, but the current rumors are they prefer to keep the players on lower-price deals, including Yelich and Ozuna, and instead, trade the higher-dollar guys like Stanton, Gordon and Prado.November 9, 2017 at 9:02 am #37521
Bernie Miklasz presents a case that Molina should have won the Gold Glove instead of Barnhart. A key element of his position is that Molina played more than Barnhart. I do not attach the same importance to that as he does. What do others think?
P.S. In the final SABR Defensive Index rankings for 2017, Molina finished fifth among NL catchers. Barnhart was second to Austin Hedges. That was 25% of the total GG score.November 9, 2017 at 10:43 am #37525
I listed all the Cardinals defenders’ scoring in the SDI in this free article.November 9, 2017 at 3:40 pm #37544
One of the reasons cited for Posey winning it in 2016 was because he was one of the top pitch framers in baseball. This year Barnhart was one of the worst, but I guess they threw that stat out this year.November 9, 2017 at 3:57 pm #37545
Okay, Baseball Prospectus has the most comprehensive defensive catcher metrics available. This is called Fielding Runs Above Average. It encompasses framing runs, blocking runs and throwing runs. If you add fielding ground balls and popups, it would become adjusted FRAA, or FRAA_ADJ.
When you add every catcher in baseball, you GG winner should have been Austin Hedges +24 (he is a stud defender and I’m betting future GGer) Our Yadi would rank 4th in the National League, 10th overall with a good, but not GG caliber +6.4.
Barnhart, while leading Blocking Runs and Throwing Runs, was ranked 76th overall; -2.9.
He ranked better here on framing than on StatCorner, he was 104th out of 110.
This is a solid post from another site about what I am referring to with Barnhart.November 9, 2017 at 6:27 pm #37555
I am curious who cited pitch framing as a reason Posey won the Gold Glove in 2016 and why did they say that? Since the manager and coach vote is 75% of the scoring and the SABR Defensive Index the other 25%, unless the latter is heavily skewed that way, which it does not appear to be, I don’t get the direct connection. Or did somebody poll all the voters after the fact?November 10, 2017 at 11:37 am #37607
Perhaps there weren’t actual voters that shared their rational, but there were plenty of articles, which pointed it out as the reason he won. Russell Martin got the same treatment back in the early 2000’s when he won out over Molina.
I just think it’s funny that NO ONE is mentioning it at all now that Barnhart won the GG since he was one of the worst pitch framers in all of baseball. Catcher defense just seems very arbitrary.November 10, 2017 at 2:03 pm #37616
Molina has definitely lost something in his ability to block pitches in the dirt. Just doesn’t get in front of them the way he used to do. However, the big intangible is his plus value in making the pitchers more effective. Reyes was a very different pitcher with Molina catching him vs the guys in Memphis.
If Molina doesn’t make the hall it will be a travesty, his defense, his handling of pitchers, his clutch hitting. That is going to be very hard to replace.
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