2017 MLB Game #92: Cards at Mets: Mon July 17

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  • #27736

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Adam Wainwright (10-5, 5.20) vs. Zack Wheeler (3-6, 4.86) 6:10 p.m. FOX Sports Midwest

  • #27795
    bicyclemike
    bicyclemike
    Moderator

    Tough loss yesterday. Not enough runs for the number of hits, and once again we cannot close it. I thought Matheny might stick with Rosenthal to start the ninth against Cervelli, then bring in Cecil against the left-handers. I think Mike needs to get out of the mind set that bullpen pitchers can only pitch one inning, as right now our ‘pen is so bad that if a guy is looking good you need to stay with him. The auto-pilot managing does not work.

    It looks dim for the Cardinals to not be in a sell mode in the next week or so. We really need to win 2 of the 3 “non-deGrom” starts, as most likely that game will go in the Mets win column. And even doing that, we only get a series split and basically tread water.

    A woeful situation right now. When Dexter Fowler is your number 3 hitter, that is an indication of where your offense lies. Look at the top teams #3 hitter, and there is a huge gap between the Bryce Harper types and Dexter. What has killed us offensively has primarily been Matt Carpenter’s inability to step-up and be a solid #3 production hitter, and Steven Piscotty’s lost year. Aledmys Diaz’ flop is right behind.

  • #27796

    gscottar
    Participant

    This team is so dismal right now it is driving me nuts. I think I need to step away for awhile and let them do what may.

  • #27807

    14NyquisT
    Participant

    I find it surprising that not more is said of the success of DeJong.

    Another thing…. If someone told you last season that the STL of would consist of Fowler, Pham, Sierra and Martinez, you would of called him a loony.

    • #27830
      bicyclemike
      bicyclemike
      Moderator

      If the team was doing well, there would likely be more talk about DeJong. But since the team is poor (to date anyway), people tend to focus on the reasons for failure.

  • #27811

    858booyah
    Participant

    People have taken notice of Dejong. I think people are hesitant to heap so much praise on him in fear of a slump. The sample size is a tad small and the jury is out if SS is where he ends up.

  • #27819

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    It is warm and clear night in New York – great baseball weather!

  • #27820

    Ratsbuddy
    Participant

    Lets wait until later in the year until we give DeJong and everyday job. Remember Brian Jordan in 1992? Everybody thought he was great when he was hot early, but he ended up hitting .227.

    Besides, in my mind, DeJong is not a TRUE EVERYDAY shortstop.

    r/Rat

  • #27831

    858booyah
    Participant

    Bases Loaded and 2 out.

    I could see us getting 1 out of this maybe…Forgot it was 2 out

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  • #27834

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    No more commercials from me from NY this week, but I am posting my news from there each day for members.

    Walton’s Cardinals New York Minutes – 07/17/17

  • #27838

    858booyah
    Participant

    Dejong with a 2 run blast.

  • #27839

    EuroWolf
    Participant

    Speaking of DeJong, his 2-run HR just put the Cards up 2-1 in the 6th.

  • #27842

    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    • #27844
      bicyclemike
      bicyclemike
      Moderator

      Wow, that is something about DeJong homering in 4 straight vs the Metropolitans.

  • #27843
    bicyclemike
    bicyclemike
    Moderator

    Waino keeps hitting like a vintage 1965 Drysdale!

  • #27846

    EuroWolf
    Participant

    Mets TV broadcast crew also said DeJong is the first player (regardless of team) to ever homer in his first four games against the Mets.

  • #27847

    858booyah
    Participant

    I don’t hold much into those stats. If his OPS is around .800 and he plays solid defense the rest of the way I’ll take it.

    Duda goes yard. We can’t let Adam get it closer with our pen.

  • #27848

    colhusker
    Participant

    Get a nice lead and then the little league defense rears it head.

  • #27849

    colhusker
    Participant

    Send Fowler back to the Cubs unexcuseable

  • #27850

    858booyah
    Participant

    Fowler is having a horrible night. His worst game in a long time and that might be before he was on the northside.

    The rub with Sierra is like many players who come through this system he’s not only raw but lack fundamentals in certain area’s. He’s a flawed player with raw talent.

    • #27882

      Brian Walton
      Keymaster

      No excuse for Fowler. Terrible.

      Sierra’s first error was not terrible, missing the ball on the run, but his throw was clearly little league. He missed third base high and wide by about 30 feet. Trying way too hard. Until he throws a few guys out, other teams are going to be taking the extra base on him. I would if I were them.

  • #27851

    EuroWolf
    Participant

    You don’t see the little league homer often. Cards defense can provide that. Then Fowler with his patented “oh so cute nonchanlant” catch…that turned out to not be a catch. Cards welcome the Mets right back into the game with some absolutely disgusting baseball.

  • #27852
    bicyclemike
    bicyclemike
    Moderator

    Sheesh, good offense and bad defense in this one. At least the offense has hit the “On The Run” bonus. This should be the batting order for the next few games:

    Sierra
    Carpenter
    Pham
    Gyorko
    DeJong
    Molina
    Wong
    Fowler

    Mike likely won’t do that, so at least he should flip Sierra and Fowler and go that way with the rest of the order.

  • #27853

    CardsRedSox4Ever
    Participant

    Five run lead and letting them back in. Are you kidding me? Fowler muffs a routine catch. That’s what $16.5 million a year gets you these days, lackadaisical play.

  • #27855
    bicyclemike
    bicyclemike
    Moderator

    Wow, Siegrist looked great! Here is a situation where I would bring him back for the ninth. No way Mike will do that of course, and there is something to be said for it as you love to have him build his confidence on that outing. Bringing him back might not go so good in the ninth.

    Promising appearance though.

    • #27880

      Brian Walton
      Keymaster

      Check my subscriber article with Matheny’s pregame comments about Siegrist. Here is my observation about the 9th.

  • #27856

    EuroWolf
    Participant

    Siegrist with a 10-pitch 3K 8th inning.

  • #27860

    colhusker
    Participant

    Wow, Siegrist looked great! Here is a situation where I would bring him back for the ninth. No way Mike will do that of course, and there is something to be said for it as you love to have him build his confidence on that outing. Bringing him back might not go so good in the ninth.

    Promising appearance though.

    Got your wish

  • #27861

    EuroWolf
    Participant

    Breaks go our way and Cecil gets the save this time. It was starting to look dicey again, but Cards hold on 6-3. Cespedes grounded into a DP on a 3-0 pitch with two runners on base.

  • #27862

    Ratsbuddy
    Participant

    The way Fowler catches flyballs it was pretty much inevitable that he would drop one. Nowadays outfielders have to make the “cool” catch instead of the way catching flyballs was taught a generation or two ago.

    Same way with SOOOOOO many runners not running to 1stbase, but just sort of jogging once they figure they will be out.

    At times baseball is sickening these days.

    r/Rat

  • #27863

    stlcard25
    Participant

    I didn’t catch much besides a couple innings on the radio of this one. It’s good to get the win and start the series strong. Dejong is a Met killer, I guess. Big homer by Pham too to offset the shaky defense in the rest of the OF.

  • #27902

    PadsFS
    Participant

    If anything, Aledmys Diaz offers a cautionary tale to not get too worked up over DeJong’s fast start.

    I’m more concerned about his 30.2% K-rate vs. a 2.7% BB-rate. Those are both extremely below-average and will kill his value if he ever stops hitting. Diaz was able to keep his K-rate way down, which helped during his slumps, but he just had some of the weakest contact, evident by being among the league leaders in both 2016 and 2017 in infield hits.

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